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Join Dr. Robert Pearl, former CEO of the Permanente Medical Group and author of the acclaimed new book Uncaring: How the Culture of Medicine Kills Doctors & Patients, in conversation with bestselling author Malcolm Gladwell about the underlying crisis in the American health care system that existed long before Covid-19. Pearl and Gladwell discuss how our current system isolates patients from doctors, emphasizes intervention over prevention, exacerbates systemic racism and inequality, leads to physician burnout, and what we can do to make the American health care system work for everyone.